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hey everyone welcome to Joel for help

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welcome to the UFO live stream boy it's

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going to be one of those days uh today's

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guest is a retired U.S Navy Chief uh

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Master at Arms Sean Cahill and uh he's

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also going to be one of the speakers at

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the Ozark Mountain UFO conference this

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year that's coming up in April so that's

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one of the main reasons uh while I have

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why I'm having him on uh later on we'll

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of course we'll take questions and um

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I'm only going to have

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um Chief Cahill own only on for one hour

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so please make sure to submit your

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questions in chat and also the live

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voice chat uh your for her voice chat

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that's happening on telegram is going on

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as well so you can directly talk to Sean

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and ask him the questions you would like

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to ask so uh just let me switch over

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real quick to the website

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or Ozark

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and so here's the list of all the

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speakers that will be speaking and

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lecturing during those three days uh of

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course uh Chief Cahill is here Ben

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Henson and then we have several others

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that will be talking about many

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different subjects each one of them has

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a talk description and you can kind of

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read up on it and see what exactly they

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will be talking about if you would like

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to know ahead of time so

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there's still a few tickets left uh

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they're going fast because a lot of the

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seating is assigned also before this

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interview I released a in a video where

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you will have a chance to win two

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tickets from your phone if you on that

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video uh like share and comment and

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leave in the hashtag

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leave a leave in the comments say

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hashtag ozark23 not in this video and

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that other one that's also on your full

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Hub channel and I hope you check that

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one out so I think I covered everything

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uh the when I talked to Sean ahead of

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time regarding the subjects I seem to be

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pretty open about a wide variety of

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whatever whatever might come up

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regarding the UFOs so I figured let me

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let me bring him on and we can just get

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let me see here

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it's getting used to new things

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welcome Sean thanks for being on how are

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you

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agreeing to do this I'm excited to talk

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to you because a lot of times who talked

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about talk about researchers and

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experiences but uh to have someone of

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your caliber to give us your perspective

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on what's going on at least in the

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governmental side uh at least on this

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channel we don't get to hear that very

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often so I'm glad you're here so like

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with every guest I would like to please

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start out with a little bit with your

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background and how everything started

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out for you and everything that led up

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to this moment

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um my name is Sean Cahill I served 20

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years in the United States Navy as a

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chief Master at Arms

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um and I'm I'm known most notably for

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being present in 2004 on board the USS

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Princeton during the infamous Tic Tac

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would you like me to expand on it yes

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sure so in 2004 when I was stationed on

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board the USS Princeton in November of

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04. I received a telephone call while I

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was standing watch on the bridge as the

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junior officer at the deck from Senior

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Chief Kevin day

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they had recalibrated and uh updated the

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Aegis radar system and the Spy 1B and he

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was telling me that they had some

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anomalies on the radar that they were

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trying to hunt down

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over the course of the week my uh while

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I was on watch I utilized my

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um my Lookouts and my bridge bridge

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when Kevin would call

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um and we we weren't finding anything on

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the bridge so we just kept feeling about

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our our regular operations during the

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exercise we were on

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it was after a few days that uh Kevin

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called me up one evening at around

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sometime around I want to say around 200

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or 8 P.M in the evening and he was he

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was very serious that I speak to my my

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Lookouts and and have them take a very

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serious look at the sky and scan the sky

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for these contacts and to see if we

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could if we could match up what they

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were seeing on radar with with real

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objects in the sky

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um it was about around 10 o'clock that

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night that I had been out on the port

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side Bridge wing with the um one of my

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watches and we were both scanning The

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side over to the to the uh the bow and

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about 45 degrees off of the port bow at

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about 2 000 feet

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were roughly five to seven lights it's

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hard to tell exactly how many there were

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um they were in a tight configuration up

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in the sky and they were turning towards

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the center point of this of this

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formation and they were blinking out one

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um almost as if they were falling down a

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funnel a horizontal funnel and then

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disappearing

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um there wasn't any

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um any kind of effect or noise or Flash

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or anything like that but there also

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plat there weren't any clouds in the sky

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there was nothing to obscure the view it

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was crystal clear

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um I turned to the to the watch

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next to me and I said with pretty salty

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language did you see that and he said

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yes Chief I did and we both kind of just

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stared and looked around for a minute

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and kept scanning and I went into the

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bridge with the intention of calling

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and looked at the clock and realized

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that Kevin was off watch and the person

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that was probably standing his console

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wasn't going to know what I was talking

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about or be very interested

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um so I just went about the rest of my

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it wasn't until the next morning

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I went out and got some coffee and spoke

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to the other Chiefs out in the chief's

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mess and I saw Kevin sitting there and

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he had this big grin on his face and I

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was a little annoyed I was like I said

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you know what do you guys chasing up

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there on the bridge what are you guys

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looking for and um one of the other

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Chiefs sitting there told me to go check

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my email on the uh what we call the

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sipper net or the Secret side we had one

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in our Lounge in the back so I went in

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the back and checked it and was reading

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through the email while everybody was

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waiting for me to get to the cool part

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which was the video but I wanted to read

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the chain of emails between our

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operations officers where they discussed

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Birds temperature inversions ghosts in

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the machine glitches in the system all

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kinds of different things

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and finally settled in the fact that

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these were solid objects and that we had

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sorted f-18s out there

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the video was nothing short of

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astounding now it's famous we've all

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seen it

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um but in 2004 it was one of the most

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incredible things I'd ever seen uh we

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knew that what we were looking at had no

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wings had no control surfaces we knew

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that it was it was not the right

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temperature for for the environment it

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was very cold while the environment

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around it was very hot and anything that

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was operating like that should have been

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should have shown up as as very hot and

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also it appeared to display flight

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characteristics that were completely out

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of the ordinary

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so it was it was impressive

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um and we were all incredulous and we

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all made some small talk about how this

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was bigger than raw as well and

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um couldn't wait until we until this

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panned out and we saw what this was

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going to turn out to be

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and that evening we had our regular

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intelligence and operations briefing and

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um I was asked to stand at the doorway

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in case

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um anyone gave the door Personnel a hard

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time by being turned away because the

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door person was going to be checking a

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list with cross-referencing security

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clearances

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and anybody who had their security

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clearance lapsed or there wasn't current

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I was there to help turn them away if

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they gave the young petty officer a hard

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time uh it turned out that no one was

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bothered by being turned away from yet

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another meeting everyone was happy to

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have a few more minutes to themselves

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and it was only a handful of people

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um I'd never been asked to do that

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before or since

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and we got in there and had the briefing

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and got to a point where uh the

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lieutenant started the briefing and this

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was 2004 so the technology was was was

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pretty dismal as far as computers go so

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the the PowerPoint was very very Bare

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Bones but a little Mars alien type

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silver saucer with a green guy went

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across the screen with a spooky noise

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and excuse me a lot of people in the

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room had a good laugh and then

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we spent a minute kind of explaining the

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people who didn't know what was going on

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why we were laughing

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and the captain said well we all had a

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lot of fun this week it was pretty

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interesting now let's get back to work

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and that was the last I had ever heard

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mention of it that wasn't scuttlebutt

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talked about amongst the crew or amongst

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uh other Chiefs in the chief's mess I

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never heard another official word about

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it until 2017 when the New York Times

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article came out

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so did um was it was there

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um maybe I'm sorry if I missed it was

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there some kind of were you allowed to

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talk to each other like between each

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other while this was happening like wow

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what's happened you know what was that

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all about and even afterwards or was it

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immediately told okay don't talk uh

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until you told otherwise

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so as far as it goes for me and I was

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the chief law enforcement officer on

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board I reported directly to the

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executive officer uh for in charge of

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good order and discipline and

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anti-terrorism for the crew I was never

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given a non-disclosure agreement I was

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never given any kind of order or any

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kind of inference not to speak about the

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incident

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um now that we're years later and some

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people have said they were given

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non-disclosure agreements other people

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were claimed to have been present when

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um assumed Air Force personnel arrived

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on board and took the um the the radar

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tapes and other things

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but at no point was I was it ever

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inferred to me that anyone was so none

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of the people that had mbas ever talked

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about having an NBA and

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I can't say that I really recall talking

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to anyone that wasn't the chief petty

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officer inside the chief's mess about

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the incident

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um afterwards so it kind of came and

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went it was not an Infamous event it was

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it was a do you remember when and if

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there were people around that hadn't

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been there they did they thought we were

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full of it when we when we discussed the

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event

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so now that it's all out and most of us

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have seen the footage and many other uh

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people have kind of talked about on

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different podcasts

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do you have still any kind of connection

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to kind of get a feel of what how

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the true feelings of whatever the

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government representation would be are

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they still truly wanting to find out

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what this is or is this something that

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they still want to kind of keep it on

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the DL and and not really talk about as

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much but considering I mean that they

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just the I forgot which which bill it

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was so HR or something where they

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created the Europe UAP office and then

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of course they had some Congressional

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hearings it kind of surprised me because

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usually it's everything is a balloon or

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a you know swamp gas and now they're

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kind of talking about it like oh yeah

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there's this there's that we don't know

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what it is so I was wondering why that

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change on you know throughout seemingly

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throughout the government chain

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well you know I can speak on that

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because since 2017 primarily what I have

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been working on in support of and as an

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advocate of was that transparency that

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led to Congressional hearings and that

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led to the National Defense

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authorization act which led to the uaptf

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ETC

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so let me go back to 2004 and say that

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um the the aftermath and the way that my

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chain of command responded to that

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incident

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at the time as a as a 30 year old I

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think I was where I was 31.

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um I had the way that I saw it at that

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time was that this must have been a must

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have been understood by the upper chain

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of command I was giving captains and

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Admirals and people like that a great

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deal of credit

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for um

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for what they may or may not have been

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briefed on or known

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and to me the way that they responded

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which was kind of coldly uninterested

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told me that this was something that

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they had an understanding of and they

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weren't worried about it and that the

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captain wasn't concerned that there was

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something like this in his battle space

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so that spoke to me about some kind of

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Allied program and something I didn't

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need to worry about

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but if we fast forward to 2017

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um

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and after the New York Times article

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after meeting Luis Elizondo in a great

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deal of investigation and information in

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between

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it's become very apparent to me that

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there that the majority of people in in

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leadership and in in high offices within

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our government within our military

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are still subject to the stigma around

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this this topic where it's still

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believed that in general it's not real

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that it's a it's a thing to be scoffed

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at

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have their mental health questioned over

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um now that's changed in the last five

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years to a very very large extent but it

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still exists and there are factions

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within our military and within our

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government that seem to be very reticent

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to want any of this information to be

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transparent they don't seem to want it

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to be investigated or or the conclusions

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of those investigations to be shared

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with the public and that's very

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concerning because this has been going

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on for 75 years and whether it's atip or

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whether it's the uaptf

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there are numerous programs before that

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that had conclusions and that those

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conclusions were classified and the

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evidence was classified and we still had

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not seen it so there is a great deal of

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opposition the question is why

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Sean I wanted to ask you so

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for the past 70 years there have been a

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lot of stories either of the researchers

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or experiences that have shared all that

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they have experienced and all that they

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basically have learned learned do you

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think the government would ever take a

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look at that you know just to see it's

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like okay well uh when it comes to court

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and I and I witness account is important

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you know to recall of of an event

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happening and it can be admissible in

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court but yet somehow if that is also

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the short shared regarding UFOs then

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it's just a crazy person talking you

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know what are what are your thoughts on

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that

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we we are all

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um under the Yoke of the fact that we we

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don't take each other seriously if we

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don't want to and we're required to take

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each other seriously you just gave a

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great example of the fact that someone's

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word can condemn another person to

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prison

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um but it really depends on whether that

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jury or that judge believes the

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authenticity and and and the confidence

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that that person has

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um I think that we've reached a new era

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based on the evidence and the caliber of

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people that are coming forward and

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that's not to say that that

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that the the other people had a lower

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caliber or a lower station per se but

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our society does tend to listen to

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certain people

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um more more closely and and take their

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their advice and what they have to say a

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little bit more seriously than some

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others and I think that now that we have

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military personnel coming out risking

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their careers risking

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um that being stigmatized by their by

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their colleagues and and by their

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workplace or their government over these

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issues that I think that a lot of people

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whether in the public and in government

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are are granting a great deal of

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confidence and so we're seeing an

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exponential amount of evidence start to

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come out a lot more people talking a lot

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more people willing to talk about this

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so it comes down to the stigma and it's

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tough because as you say some of the

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anecdotal reports from folks myself

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included if we got into some of the

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stranger things

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[Music]

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um they're not in keeping with a regular

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day-to-day existence that most people

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that many people claim to want to keep

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up and it attacks a lot of people's

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beliefs in general so if people can't

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find a way to fit in

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their beliefs with this for some people

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it's just too much to take stigma or not

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so you just said something that piqued

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my interest so other than observing was

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have you had any kind of experiences

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that kind of

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um mimic uh those from experiences that

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share about the feelings or what went on

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you know during being I guess in close

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proximity of some of these things can

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you maybe share a little bit of that if

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you have any of those experiences yeah

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for the first few years that I was

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working on this topic I was reticent to

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talk about all the experiences I've had

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I would talk offline with with

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researchers or interviewers about them

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but

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um I was I was still subject to the

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stigma and a little scared but

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this is something when we talk about UAP

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or the phenomenon this is something that

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I've been experiencing since childhood

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um I've had

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I've had different craft as even people

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would say that I've seen different

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shapes different interesting experiences

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lost time

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um and what many people would

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classically call abduction experiences

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um due to the fact that I was a I was a

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I was a

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investigator trained forensics

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investigator detective a police officer

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in the military

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to me my own stories are something that

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that I have to keep in a certain little

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bucket over here and I keep them fenced

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off and it's only been the last couple

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of years that I've allowed myself to

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compare some of my experiences with the

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research I've done and the things that

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I've read

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and

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I dare say that I found myself more

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confused than ever

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um because there's there's still

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something in my I'm not able to present

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um I'm not confident and confident

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enough to tell details of my experiences

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to other people yet

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because I'm not sure of those details

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yet

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um and I'm not sure that that all of

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those things are are valid memories

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versus perhaps a perhaps a lucid dream

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um and I've studied lucid dreaming

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astral projection

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hypnotism neuro-linguistic programming

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all of those things in a search to try

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to understand if there's a way that we

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can differentiate between

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um between the authenticity of memory

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um so I know that a lot of us

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we have these experiences and we have

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memories and and they seem to correspond

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with other people's experiences and we

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can we can do research that seems to

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tell us meaning and origin and things

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like that but I haven't reached a point

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in my own experience with the phenomenon

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where meaning

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origin

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Etc are very clear to me

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um

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I'm also a person that's really

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I guess the word of the night is

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reticent but reticent to um to dive into

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things like uh Ascension culture and um

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and people that talk about you know

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these vast and deep messages that they

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claim that they're that they're gaining

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from the phenomenon I'm not having that

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same experience so I try not to

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I try not to step on other people's

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anecdotes and experience but I have a

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hard time accepting a great deal of

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ufology

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uh for lack of a better word

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do you think that if you did come out

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and just share some of these other

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stories that you had personally

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experienced that you will be kind of

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um I guess locked out of some

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information you know by by your peers or

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or would they be like okay well let's

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it's a good question

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um

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I think that there are people that I

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that I might have a chance to work with

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in the next few years uh for advocacy

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that would be turned off by hearing some

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of the details of my experiences

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um

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the the the quote-unquote opposition

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which is a phrase I don't like to use

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um it gives the Ravel that's that's it

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doesn't care for this subject uh more

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credit than they deserve

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00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:23,220
but they've used those stories just

557
00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:24,480
within the last couple of weeks I've

558
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,280
gone on a couple of podcasts and talked

559
00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:27,840
about a few experiences in a little more

560
00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:30,840
depth and um they immediately cut those

561
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:32,520
up with other clips of things and tried

562
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,380
to use them as something to attack my

563
00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:36,240
credibility

564
00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:37,080
um

565
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:39,000
I have to accept that I have to accept

566
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,740
that there is going to be probably an

567
00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:43,200
organized and and constant attack on my

568
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:44,520
credibility the more and more I'm

569
00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:46,020
willing to talk about the stranger

570
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:47,880
aspects of the subject

571
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:50,880
but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

572
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:53,100
I'm not gonna lie to anybody FIB to

573
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:54,659
anyone make up any stories to make me

574
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,460
sound better I'm very confused at some

575
00:22:00,770 --> 00:21:58,320
of the things I remember

576
00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:00,780
um and I'd like them to make more sense

577
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:03,480
when it's valuable for all of us I'll

578
00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:05,940
share them but at the moment just being

579
00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:07,559
one more

580
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:10,980
it the story about let's say a triangle

581
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,900
or a saucer

582
00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:14,400
um I don't feel that the details that

583
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,620
that are involved in those

584
00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:18,720
are

585
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:21,260
important enough for me to expose myself

586
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,460
to that right now even though it might

587
00:22:28,010 --> 00:22:26,100
be entertaining for a lot of people

588
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,020
um until I have meaning or understanding

589
00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:31,200
it's it's just yet another thing to

590
00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:32,940
place on top of the pile if that makes

591
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,380
sense

592
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:36,960
it does so you mentioned you know

593
00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:40,080
factions within the government on the

594
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:42,539
different point of views so one of the

595
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,100
bigger stories is you probably already

596
00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:47,039
know Roswell is as big in the UFO field

597
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:48,780
and it's one of those things that

598
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,280
started all the different speculations

599
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:52,559
about do we have ships do we not have

600
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:54,059
ships where their bodies where they're

601
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,020
not

602
00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:57,600
um from your perspective haven't been on

603
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:59,940
that side if if there is anything that

604
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:01,320
you can share could you talk about

605
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,960
something then that maybe we don't know

606
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,000
about it the government actually is

607
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:08,159
looking into more or is it still just

608
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:10,020
whatever they release that's it and

609
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,380
there's nothing more you can talk about

610
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:15,720
well I think the the uh the what's

611
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,820
really going on aspect of this is still

612
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,100
being obscured from us

613
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,559
um I I do believe a great majority of

614
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:25,200
our leaders our congressmen and Senators

615
00:23:28,669 --> 00:23:26,400
when they are

616
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:28,679
the way that they're presenting uh the

617
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:29,820
way that they're interested the

618
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:31,380
questions they're asking show me that

619
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:32,940
some have been briefed a little bit more

620
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:34,740
than others

621
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:37,080
um but in general we don't have

622
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,059
a place to look to we you should be able

623
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,240
to look to a secretary of defense

624
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:45,360
um a one of the Chiefs of Staff to to

625
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:47,220
give answers on this they should have

626
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,580
historical information but if we're to

627
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,919
even cherry pick a little bit of the

628
00:23:57,649 --> 00:23:54,299
zeitgeist

629
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:57,659
it it seems that at some point the

630
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,220
generalized leadership stopped being

631
00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:00,840
briefed on this topic and it became

632
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,780
compartmentalized stovepiped as they say

633
00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:05,100
so

634
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,559
if we haven't found the stove pipes yet

635
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:09,539
if the uaptf hasn't found the stove

636
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:12,059
pipes yet then there are going to be

637
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:13,020
people that are going to have an

638
00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:14,580
understanding of this that does go back

639
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:15,960
70 years

640
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:17,640
and I think the elephant in the room in

641
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:20,039
this case is the Air Force because the

642
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:21,360
Air Force has had has the most

643
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,740
involvement

644
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,299
in the topic

645
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:26,820
and so the answer should come from that

646
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,740
place and they're not and the most

647
00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:30,240
cooperation from the subject matter

648
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,039
experts should come from that place and

649
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:33,840
they're really not

650
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:36,299
so does an organized

651
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,900
opposition stem from that

652
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:42,240
uh I use the word organized Loosely

653
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:44,100
because it doesn't seem to be very

654
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:45,539
professional and involves a great deal

655
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,179
of clowns and trolls

656
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:51,120
um but the fact is is it is being talked

657
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:52,860
about in the halls of Congress and in

658
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:55,500
the Senate and it is and when you have

659
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,260
people like uh Kirsten gillibrand you

660
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:00,960
know telling senior leadership to to

661
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:03,600
inform themselves and then following up

662
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:07,320
on those questions and you know we let

663
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:09,000
me digress for a moment and say that the

664
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,679
the Wilson documents have been entered

665
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,720
into the record now Congress is aware of

666
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,640
those exchanges and what went on and how

667
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:16,679
those went down we're all still waiting

668
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:19,559
for the the final report on what it all

669
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,179
means but it's apparent that that

670
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:27,120
whatever the long-term story is there

671
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:29,220
are folks that don't want to tell it

672
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:31,140
and I think that's because along the way

673
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:32,760
people probably did things that were

674
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:35,220
seemingly unethical and

675
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:37,020
um and probably blatantly unethical at

676
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,980
some point

677
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,380
and I can understand the human

678
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,240
predilection to not want to be holding

679
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:44,520
the bag when it comes down to it but

680
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,580
this this is not this story does not get

681
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,960
better with age

682
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:51,360
and and it doesn't get better as it gets

683
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,620
older

684
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:54,720
um there's not a lot of folks on my side

685
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:57,240
of the fence that spend two seconds

686
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,659
wondering if Roswell was uh real or not

687
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,700
or whether it was UAP related I think it

688
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:04,799
certainly was

689
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:09,059
um the the surrounding details are to to

690
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:11,340
even the most casual Observer once you

691
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,279
dig into it are pretty pretty heavy the

692
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:15,840
formation of the Air Force within days

693
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:18,960
of the incident the all of the things

694
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,000
that surround it do not

695
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:23,760
in any way amount to the the cover story

696
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:26,520
of project Mogul or the the

697
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:28,980
um the the merging of those ideas in

698
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:32,100
people's minds so Roswell would be a

699
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:33,539
great place for the United States

700
00:26:37,789 --> 00:26:37,260
government to start it could start there

701
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:37,799
um

702
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,900
but I think that there that leadership

703
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:42,480
is frankly afraid and I think that when

704
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,220
it comes down to it they're dealing with

705
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:47,039
this just like the rest of us are

706
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,840
you know let me then bring up something

707
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,940
more recent and um you mentioned

708
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:52,980
something ever since these balloon flaps

709
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,840
you've been very busy

710
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,460
um is can I ask you some questions

711
00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:58,559
regarding that

712
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,600
so sure so for example when this was

713
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,220
happening my phone was blowing up

714
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:04,320
everybody looking to me to ask me I'm

715
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:06,120
like I'm not the government I have no

716
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:08,700
connections I wish I did you know then I

717
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,140
could at least give whatever information

718
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:12,720
I possibly could without you know kind

719
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:15,240
of breaching any kind of security is

720
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:16,440
there anything that you can speak to

721
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:19,620
regarding this recent balloon flap and

722
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,659
what is the government actually looking

723
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:23,880
at for real do they think that this

724
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:28,500
where UFOs AKA alien related or UFOs SN

725
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:31,799
okay literally unidentified unidentified

726
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:33,419
objects if we don't know what they are

727
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:36,600
and um I found it very strange that they

728
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:39,240
shot down some things but then can't

729
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:41,880
you know basically recover anything can

730
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:44,520
you can you speak to that at all please

731
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:46,620
I can I'm very I'm very confused and

732
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:49,260
perturbed by um by the way that all came

733
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,520
out

734
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,320
um the idea that we're shooting things

735
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:54,900
down that we can't identify is very

736
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:56,820
frightening to me

737
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,020
um

738
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,760
we've had lots of memes and jokes

739
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,559
surrounding it but had that been

740
00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:04,380
anything other than what we assume it

741
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,020
was was which is foreign surveillance

742
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:08,640
technology

743
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:10,380
um then that could have been disastrous

744
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:14,640
now as far as UAP goes I think we had a

745
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:16,500
perfect storm of conflation and I think

746
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,500
that the that the the naysayers were

747
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,960
lack of a better word utilize that to

748
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:23,580
their benefit

749
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,760
um what we saw was was NORAD take

750
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:29,279
certain filters off of

751
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:31,140
um the way that that our skies are

752
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,419
monitored and this was done in

753
00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:36,240
conjunction with the ndaa and and and

754
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:38,520
this subject this was done

755
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:42,299
due to this subject of UAP now let me

756
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,740
use the metaphor of the ocean for a

757
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:46,320
moment we have we have sonar out in the

758
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,820
ocean and we have

759
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,640
um detection equipment for National

760
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,039
Defense and for seismic reasons and for

761
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:55,320
Oceanic reasons and things like that and

762
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,860
they sample a certain portion of the the

763
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:01,919
Spectrum to gain data back from the

764
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:04,500
ocean now let's say that once we we

765
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,740
changed that it showed every shark

766
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:10,740
and every um every whale and every

767
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,159
submarine but if we now differentiating

768
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:16,080
between those you have to arrive on

769
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:17,820
scene to find out what they are and you

770
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:19,740
have to to check the characteristics of

771
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,179
the animal or the machine to

772
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,799
differentiate between your submarine

773
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:24,240
your shark and your orca

774
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:26,940
something similar happened in the sky

775
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:28,919
the filters were removed so anything

776
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:31,799
below a certain size moving in certain

777
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,720
parameters that before would have

778
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,820
disqualified it

779
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,480
um

780
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,880
are now being picked up by these systems

781
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:41,760
so an example of that that was used was

782
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:44,460
a the the system was not designed to

783
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:46,740
track a missile that was standing still

784
00:29:51,649 --> 00:29:49,500
in the air even if the system saw it as

785
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,659
a missile it was to disregard it if it

786
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:53,340
was standing still because it was

787
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,020
assumed that nothing can do that and so

788
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:56,640
it was not a threat

789
00:30:02,090 --> 00:29:59,159
UAP have exhibited the ability to do

790
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,100
things within those guidelines that were

791
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:04,799
formerly prohibited from the system from

792
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,260
tracking so suddenly there's going to be

793
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:09,120
a lot more things in the system being

794
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:11,460
tracked now that brings us back to the

795
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,480
fact that we're shooting down

796
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:14,640
unidentified things and then not

797
00:30:18,409 --> 00:30:15,899
collecting them

798
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,419
that's that's ridiculous I don't I don't

799
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,700
necessarily believe that

800
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,740
um and even when they talk about these

801
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:24,480
you know they're in

802
00:30:27,289 --> 00:30:25,140
um

803
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,299
the one that was adjacent to the Yukon

804
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:29,039
for example

805
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:30,600
um the idea is that it was too remote

806
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,419
but that's ridiculous had that been a

807
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,820
crude aircraft of ours that we had lost

808
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:37,440
in that area search and rescue would

809
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,000
have been on the scene nearly

810
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:42,480
immediately to ensure the the safety of

811
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,320
lives and and and property so we're not

812
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:48,480
getting the whole story again and we're

813
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:49,620
not getting the whole story to

814
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,179
understand why these are such why some

815
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:52,799
of these seem to be exotic shapes like

816
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:55,860
like tubes or hexagons Etc

817
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:56,940
um

818
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,299
so it's it's it's worrisome it's the the

819
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:02,399
water is constantly being muddied every

820
00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:03,960
time we have a chance to make it more

821
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:06,659
clear unfortunately

822
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:09,240
and so was it maybe just a out of

823
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,820
embarrassment that if they did recover

824
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:13,500
whatever they recovered it turned out

825
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:16,020
just to be some monitoring device and

826
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:18,299
they went all out with what how much did

827
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,520
they cost four hundred thousand dollars

828
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:22,919
for permissile and went all out that way

829
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:31,850
perhaps it's it's possible I don't

830
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,899
I don't think Saving Face In this case

831
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:35,880
would I think there there's not a lot of

832
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,039
face to say when you are spending a lot

833
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:39,600
of money I'm not sure the exact cost I

834
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:40,980
misquoted it once so I don't want to get

835
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,360
caught doing that again

836
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,120
um you're probably right but but again

837
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:47,279
using missiles to shoot down balloons

838
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,500
seems like a disproportionate use of the

839
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,720
of the taxpayers money

840
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,279
um especially balloons that they're

841
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,320
telling us uh you know the the sensor

842
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:56,880
Suite on there is no big deal really

843
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,500
it's we didn't really care what it was

844
00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:00,480
collecting uh it wasn't over any

845
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,520
important areas but then all of a sudden

846
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:04,620
we're shooting them down all over the

847
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:05,880
place

848
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,740
that's one of the possible reasons it

849
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,799
would be pure speculation but it the

850
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:12,720
it comes down to why don't they want us

851
00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:15,240
to know you know even if we're in a

852
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:17,059
political environment where

853
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,799
every situation is a no-win situation

854
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:22,080
when put up against the opposition we're

855
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:23,820
so bifurcated in our in our beliefs

856
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:26,100
right now that it's not as if they were

857
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:28,919
they were going to lose hearts and Minds

858
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:31,980
um so why didn't they

859
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:33,659
you know they had they had a chance to

860
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:36,179
to have another I guess Jesse Marcel

861
00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:39,140
moment and show off the balloon

862
00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:42,260
they didn't that's ridiculous

863
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:44,220
all of these things should have been

864
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,440
taken to a warehouse and photographed

865
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:48,720
and forensic investigation should have

866
00:32:53,889 --> 00:32:51,539
been done and uh serial number tracking

867
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:53,899
on the equipment and

868
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:56,220
there's a thousand directions to go in

869
00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:57,960
this investigation and I'm still baffled

870
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,399
that they just fired a missile of stuff

871
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:01,080
over the Yukon and let it fall down to

872
00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:03,659
the ground and flew away

873
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:06,419
you know regarding this scenario and I

874
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:08,820
guess many other scenarios that involves

875
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:10,919
the government having done these

876
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:13,380
interviews for for a long time and just

877
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:15,059
talking to people in general there's

878
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:16,740
always been this

879
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,100
this blanket that they you know that

880
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,320
would include every single person from

881
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,659
the lowest rank Soldier to the highest

882
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:26,940
that they're all in on everything and

883
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,620
whatever is happening is you know

884
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,779
happening against you know our benefit

885
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:32,880
and so that's something to be angry

886
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:35,940
about being you know having you know

887
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,760
being on that side what is that from

888
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:41,039
your perspective it's like you know can

889
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:43,019
something like that occur you know or is

890
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:44,820
it just literally just every single

891
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,220
person doing their thing the job that

892
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,200
they are taught to do you know in

893
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,659
whatever rank they are and they just not

894
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,279
really questioning the orders because

895
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:55,440
they're coming from up top you know can

896
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,960
you speak a little bit to that please

897
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:59,279
I think it took a little bit of

898
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,539
everything

899
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:02,399
um I think your average person in the

900
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:04,679
military I give them more credit for

901
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,779
being intelligent folks than most people

902
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,679
might

903
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,359
people in the military do see when

904
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,240
things are aren't right or don't make

905
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,359
sense or aren't efficient or waste money

906
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,720
um or or God forbid loss of life or or

907
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,399
unethical

908
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:23,280
but how much voice someone has and how

909
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:26,460
willing they are to use that voice

910
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,679
um very is a great deal

911
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,320
right now this subject is is barely

912
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,659
reaching the uh the general public in a

913
00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:35,040
serious fashion

914
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:36,119
um the folks that are going to be at

915
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,379
your conference that we're going to be

916
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,780
speaking to are all have all have a

917
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:41,280
vested interest in this for one reason

918
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,839
or another and they've gone to Great

919
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:45,240
Lengths to be involved in it but to the

920
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:46,859
average person this is just a question

921
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:48,419
that comes up once in a while at a

922
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:52,560
cocktail party or it's the the

923
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,119
um the subject of their their late night

924
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,280
entertainment

925
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:58,740
um Let me let me shift over and say that

926
00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:01,740
this subject has not been politicized

927
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,000
yet

928
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:04,800
um almost every other subject every

929
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:06,119
other thing you and I would want to talk

930
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:08,940
about about solving in our in our

931
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,920
society has been politicized at this

932
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:13,200
point where if you have an opinion about

933
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,520
making it better it's going to make

934
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,560
somebody else angry or if you have an

935
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:18,240
opinion about making it going away it's

936
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:19,740
going to have a great deal of of

937
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,740
opposition to it so

938
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:25,440
let me say that we have things still in

939
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,540
our culture that that are absolutely

940
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:29,700
ridiculous the idea that an entire town

941
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:32,700
in Michigan Flint Michigan still has no

942
00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:35,339
potable drinking water still has the

943
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:37,619
same problems after all these years

944
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:40,500
who who has the authority to change that

945
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,640
and I think a lot of us would start

946
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:42,960
pointing fingers and we would say those

947
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,180
people have the authority why can't we

948
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:47,640
hold each other accountable when it's

949
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,500
simple things like drinking water now

950
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,300
we're into a complicated subject like a

951
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,760
75 year old obfuscated

952
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:55,920
subject like unidentified aerial

953
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:00,359
phenomena UFO possible aliens crypto

954
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:07,310
it's daunting

955
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:09,300
um until until there is a Tipping Point

956
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:11,579
in the public eye on this subject until

957
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,740
it becomes something that that enough

958
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,320
people in the public say is important we

959
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:18,420
want answers and we're not gonna

960
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:19,980
we're not going to stand for for

961
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,780
ignorance anymore

962
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:24,240
I think this will remain on the in the

963
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:26,099
halls of Congress and in and around the

964
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:27,720
corners and in the shadows and on the

965
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,140
conference circuit but we have to find a

966
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,880
way to make people who have not

967
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:35,760
experienced the phenomena who have not

968
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:37,320
witnessed the phenomena or had it

969
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,060
touched their lives become interested in

970
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:41,760
this and I still haven't figured that

971
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,560
out yet

972
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:45,599
yeah I know just uh actually just

973
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,599
yesterday it was really funny I saw uh

974
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:50,940
one of my friends and he and there were

975
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:53,460
a group a group of them and I got to

976
00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:55,980
this meeting late late and so he was

977
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,780
like oh here comes the UFO conspiracy

978
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,000
theorists you know and I just sat down I

979
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,680
was looking at him and I mean at this it

980
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:03,359
didn't like hurt my feelings or anything

981
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:04,980
like that but I sat down and looked at

982
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:07,079
him I said so the government has a

983
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,440
office on uaps to collect data there's

984
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:12,599
The Tick Tock footage that was released

985
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,440
and and very credible military uh you

986
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,720
know personnel has talked about this we

987
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,400
have Congressional hearings about this

988
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:22,320
tell me again which part of this is

989
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,320
conspiracy you know because for some

990
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:27,119
reason somehow to the you know because

991
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,680
these guys I would consider as normal

992
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:31,200
everyday average Americans you know they

993
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,180
have not seen that or not heard about

994
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,760
that until I mentioned something so

995
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:37,859
maybe I don't know it's it's it's really

996
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:40,440
I know sad that that you know they were

997
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:43,140
failed by media out there to be not

998
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:45,060
informed about something as basic as

999
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,619
that

1000
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,240
well I don't see you as a conspiracy

1001
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:50,880
theorist ICU as a conspiracy realist

1002
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:52,859
because the definition of a conspiracy

1003
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,359
you only you only need a couple of folks

1004
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:56,700
to get together and decide to do no good

1005
00:38:01,849 --> 00:38:00,060
to have a conspiracy right and there's

1006
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:01,859
certainly more than a handful of folks

1007
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,500
involved in keeping these secrets and

1008
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:07,440
um and using this subject to confuse

1009
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:10,260
people using it as an intelligence

1010
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:12,839
um tool against our enemies and perhaps

1011
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,900
unfortunately against our own folks

1012
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:18,480
um in some way shape or form

1013
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:20,339
um it

1014
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,820
there is a conspiracy but we have also

1015
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,040
been taught that conspiracies are are

1016
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:27,839
practically entertainment now

1017
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,060
oh right right they're all they're all

1018
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:32,160
for late night History Channel and other

1019
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:34,740
shows and you know

1020
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:38,040
um the word lost it's important

1021
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:40,200
yeah and most of those most of those

1022
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:42,119
conspiracies have some grain of Truth at

1023
00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:43,800
their Center that's what that's how the

1024
00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:45,780
story grew up around them but if you

1025
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:47,420
cast enough dispersion on the truth

1026
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:49,859
eventually people will look in the

1027
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:52,980
mirror and deny their own names

1028
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,560
yeah well let me make this announcement

1029
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,359
real quick so for those of you watching

1030
00:39:01,450 --> 00:38:59,820
in about seven to eight minutes

1031
00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:01,460
um Sean is going to take some questions

1032
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,140
uh for those who would like to ask a

1033
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,300
question please submit it in the chat

1034
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:08,460
below uh please make sure to put three

1035
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,700
asterix's so that I know it's in um it's

1036
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:13,440
a question for me to read out loud

1037
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:15,660
instead of just the chatter that you

1038
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,700
guys usually do in the rooms and then of

1039
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,400
course at the UFO Hub telegram voice

1040
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:22,680
chat is going on right now as well where

1041
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:25,560
you can join it and raise your hand and

1042
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:28,020
you'll be able to talk to Sean directly

1043
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,020
only to ask a question I hope not to

1044
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:33,780
have a whole paragraph of of information

1045
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:36,300
so anyway just letting you know then in

1046
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:38,280
about I guess seven minutes now we will

1047
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,200
go to q a so please have your questions

1048
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,200
ready so Sean um

1049
00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:45,660
do you ever see maybe in the next five

1050
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:46,500
years

1051
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:49,500
or anything drastic to happen within the

1052
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,300
government and the acceptance of these

1053
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,460
you know of this UFO subject or is it

1054
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:55,200
still going to be the same as it has

1055
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:57,420
been for the past 70 years maybe we'll

1056
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,339
have some some spikes like we did with

1057
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,200
the balloons and maybe some spikes that

1058
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,780
we did in 17 with some footage it's very

1059
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:05,820
you know interesting being released but

1060
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,700
then other than that that's as far so it

1061
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:10,800
will go

1062
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,619
I think those are all possibilities

1063
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,560
um but I do I'm very optimistic there

1064
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:18,000
are a lot of things being done on the

1065
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:19,500
international front to bring this to the

1066
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,520
UN

1067
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:22,800
um project Titan out of San Marino is

1068
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:26,280
one of those other efforts as well to to

1069
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,220
collate data to bring a very

1070
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:31,920
um a very pragmatic and a very serious

1071
00:40:36,370 --> 00:40:34,380
sight picture of this to leadership and

1072
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:36,380
to the and to the public

1073
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,680
I see a change coming up I see I see a

1074
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:42,540
moment where I think that the that

1075
00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:44,040
pragmatism is going to leak into

1076
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:46,500
leadership and

1077
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:50,040
an idea of more so of

1078
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,020
um of amnesty okay of moving forward of

1079
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:57,480
bringing all of the information out and

1080
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:59,820
and and and saying listen whatever

1081
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:02,040
happened in the past post World War II

1082
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,960
and during the Cold War

1083
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,099
um we're going to have to look at it

1084
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,380
through the lens of those challenges and

1085
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:08,880
the challenges that came out of all of

1086
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:10,500
the people who let's face it the whole

1087
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:12,300
world suffering post traumatic stress

1088
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,339
disorder after World War II

1089
00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:16,740
and then to to walk right into this

1090
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,180
subject and have to deal with it

1091
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:20,160
immediately I don't blame them so call

1092
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:21,960
me an apologist if you want to but we

1093
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:23,339
need to move forward

1094
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,520
and if it's the shame of the past or

1095
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,380
past mistakes or the sins of the father

1096
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:30,300
in some way that have kept us from

1097
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,240
telling the truth then I think it's time

1098
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:35,640
for us to bring everybody in and and

1099
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:37,980
just cut him some slack tell the truth

1100
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:41,700
fix it and move on so there are efforts

1101
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:43,140
to do that

1102
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,280
um there are efforts to move this

1103
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,839
forward into it onto the international

1104
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:47,700
stage get the rest of the world around

1105
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:50,760
this problem so it's not just a a an

1106
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,460
american-centric problem so I'm I'm very

1107
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:56,880
optimistic now if all of us are are

1108
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:58,619
happy to be quiet and go home and watch

1109
00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:00,900
this on late night TV and Munch popcorn

1110
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,180
then it will be exactly what it has been

1111
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,520
for the last 75 years I think that the

1112
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:07,920
there are enough powers that be so to

1113
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,440
speak that would love to wipe this right

1114
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,079
back under the carpet and stomp it out

1115
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:14,640
um it's imperative that folks like us

1116
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,320
they're willing to put the effort into

1117
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:18,960
this and to come together to meet that

1118
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,480
we keep working and we keep refining our

1119
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,240
elevator speeches and taking the the

1120
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,920
sensationalism out of our subject and

1121
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:27,780
make it more palatable for the the

1122
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:29,400
general public and for leadership and I

1123
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,339
think we'll get where we want to go

1124
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,260
you know I wanted to ask you a question

1125
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:37,320
that um something that stood out when I

1126
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,000
first was reading it and I'm sorry I

1127
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,220
can't recall if it was the initial

1128
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,160
report your full report that came out or

1129
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,800
after the UAP office was formed but you

1130
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,720
know the whole list about all these

1131
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,700
things the purpose of what it they will

1132
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,800
do and again I can't I don't remember

1133
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,960
exactly which one it was it said

1134
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,579
something very interesting that it would

1135
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,280
also collect data and I'm really hoping

1136
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:00,720
I'm not mistaken on this part but it

1137
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:03,780
will collect data on the effect physical

1138
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:07,319
effect on people by uaps and I thought

1139
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:09,480
that was interesting because I never

1140
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:10,740
really you know because I thought they

1141
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,119
were just going to keep it on a data

1142
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:14,700
level you know and not you know go as

1143
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,960
far as that

1144
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:17,640
um can you please speak a little bit

1145
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,859
about that or whether or not someone you

1146
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,660
know or yourself you know has been

1147
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:23,880
affected physically your senses or or

1148
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:26,520
whichever way by a close proximity of a

1149
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:31,490
um I don't know if I ever have or not

1150
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:33,660
I've never submitted to a body scan or

1151
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,400
MRI I've never been

1152
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,160
um never been asked to but I do know

1153
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:40,079
that Dr Gary Nolan has worked in the

1154
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:41,339
area of

1155
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,740
um now I'm not fully aware of the

1156
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:48,359
programs he's worked on and he's the

1157
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:49,859
expert people should turn to to his

1158
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:52,440
talks and his podcasts but there has

1159
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:53,339
been

1160
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,319
um research done on this in the past and

1161
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:57,839
so that means that there is current and

1162
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:00,900
past data that can be immediately

1163
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,720
um sanitized Declassified given to

1164
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:06,119
Academia spread across the board to to

1165
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:09,960
as many um as many great minds as we can

1166
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:12,900
and I that is something that that must

1167
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,260
be studied because we can't say that

1168
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:18,359
these things are present and that people

1169
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,660
are not in proximity excuse me proximity

1170
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:23,760
to them there are American military

1171
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:26,040
personnel that are on disability

1172
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,900
for after effects from being in

1173
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:29,760
proximity to UAP when they were powered

1174
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:30,900
up

1175
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,260
um and so just just as they say

1176
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,359
um if you understand the metaphor of

1177
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,980
crows where there is one there is

1178
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:40,020
probably many others

1179
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:41,579
um there these are these are not

1180
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:45,240
singular cases so

1181
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,500
having having a the uaptf excuse me um

1182
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:51,119
having the arrow office

1183
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,119
collate this data presented to the

1184
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,680
public that's another thing that would

1185
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,420
be very valuable is to have a government

1186
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,800
office

1187
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,200
give the general public and Leadership a

1188
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,880
sight picture of what has happened in

1189
00:45:06,589 --> 00:45:04,920
the past where we are now what are the

1190
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:06,599
things that actually do occur around

1191
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:10,260
this subject because the fact is like it

1192
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:11,339
or not

1193
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:15,420
abduction scenarios abduction cases seem

1194
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,819
to be a part of this and it makes people

1195
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:19,619
uncomfortable and there are whole cadres

1196
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,480
who will tell you exactly what it means

1197
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:23,640
what's going on and tell you how it's

1198
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:25,619
happening and everything else but we're

1199
00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:28,740
not at a point where we have any kind of

1200
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:30,260
authoritative

1201
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:33,420
or homogenized view of that

1202
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,060
so

1203
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:38,640
just speculating wildly for a moment if

1204
00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:39,900
we were dealing with something like a

1205
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,180
breakaway civilization within our own

1206
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,440
borders

1207
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,960
and that seems kind of crazy but let's

1208
00:45:49,630 --> 00:45:47,839
say the the

1209
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:49,640
Eisenhower's warning of the

1210
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:52,619
military-industrial complex was far more

1211
00:45:57,230 --> 00:45:54,119
Sinister than a lot of people believe

1212
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:57,240
and if someone broke away and I know a

1213
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:58,560
lot of people have very deep theories

1214
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:01,319
about that and about Subterranean idea

1215
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,540
you know bases and things like that I

1216
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:05,400
don't have any any direct evidence for

1217
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:08,220
that but if those things happened

1218
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:10,380
those are vastly important for the rest

1219
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:12,300
of us to understand and to know about

1220
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:13,740
and

1221
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:16,920
they're also really mind-blowing

1222
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:17,880
um

1223
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:19,980
so I'm I

1224
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,260
it's going to take all hands on deck an

1225
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,240
all hands on deck approach to to

1226
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,119
maintain our our emotional

1227
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:30,240
um stability through this to keep people

1228
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:34,140
listening and to stick to the data

1229
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:37,079
um so I I look forward to the next few

1230
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:38,160
years but I think they're going to be

1231
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:41,300
they may be chaotic at some point

1232
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,460
well great thank you for that well uh so

1233
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:46,980
it's it's that time and uh if you're

1234
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:49,020
ready we we I'll be giving you some

1235
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,819
questions then from from the people that

1236
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:52,560
have submitted some of those so anyway

1237
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,300
for those who are watching or just

1238
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,680
tuning in

1239
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,359
um even though you might not know what's

1240
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:59,280
going on you can still ask a question

1241
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,260
starting now we'll still be on for

1242
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:04,319
another 15 minutes so now is the time so

1243
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,800
this is a question from light love and

1244
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:10,079
awake uh the question is many people

1245
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,560
have surreal dreams involving 80s given

1246
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,780
that the powers that be are now

1247
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:18,060
investigating UFOs any chance that

1248
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:19,859
people will start to be taken more

1249
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,640
seriously about their E.T experiences

1250
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,680
I think it's possible

1251
00:47:29,809 --> 00:47:27,599
um I think that we would need we need to

1252
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,819
bring in a lot of the experts in the in

1253
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:32,160
in neuroscience

1254
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:33,960
that might be able to bridge that gap

1255
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:37,140
between lucid dreaming and

1256
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,920
um

1257
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:40,260
and UAP and we're going to need to bring

1258
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:42,900
in folks for more esoteric studies uh

1259
00:47:49,690 --> 00:47:45,720
meditation uh folks perhaps from the

1260
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:49,700
Monroe Institute who can explain in a

1261
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:52,680
non-classical sense how the neuroscience

1262
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:55,319
and the esoteric ideas meld in together

1263
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:56,819
because that's what folks like like

1264
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,700
Monroe and others have done is to try to

1265
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,800
dig into their own personal experiences

1266
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,319
using science I believe they've made

1267
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:06,240
breakthroughs in that and I believe that

1268
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,859
it speaks to the fact that there is

1269
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:10,200
there is a that we are more than this

1270
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,180
physical body as the Monroe Institute is

1271
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:14,880
is apt to say but that there are levels

1272
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,920
of reality perhaps above and perhaps

1273
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,420
below us that we have a chance to

1274
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,700
interact with I personally believe that

1275
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,380
UAP

1276
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:24,960
um utilize those other areas of reality

1277
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,740
at least for um for faster travel uh if

1278
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:30,900
not utilizing it as an origin or a way

1279
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,060
station or even another place to exist

1280
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:36,000
so if those are all aspects of this

1281
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,260
phenomenon I don't think the government

1282
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,660
will have a choice in the future but to

1283
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:41,520
take these aspects more seriously I know

1284
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:44,040
that that researchers within the

1285
00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:46,020
government are already researching these

1286
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,579
aspects of Consciousness in regards to

1287
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,319
UAP

1288
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,020
great thank you uh the next question is

1289
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,200
actually more of a statement and um uh I

1290
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:58,319
guess if you could speak to that please

1291
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:00,119
do it's just the statement from Andrew

1292
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:08,809
I don't have any evidence of that

1293
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,420
um if that's true that company

1294
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,880
um should be running the world right now

1295
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:16,740
if they've had that technology since

1296
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:18,780
2004 or that that

1297
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:21,480
that group of folks and I think we also

1298
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:24,359
would have seen it um proliferate more

1299
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,480
uh than just that incident

1300
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,240
um I would I would argue with that I

1301
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,099
don't have enough evidence to say that

1302
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:34,319
okay the next question is from

1303
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:37,619
consolation Fleet asking do you think

1304
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,119
that we will ever get a report from aaro

1305
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,359
yes yes I do I think we'll we'll get the

1306
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,460
reports that were mandated or you'll see

1307
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,920
people fired or you'll see um

1308
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,839
you know we know how government Works

1309
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:53,940
Government doesn't always do what it's

1310
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,800
supposed to but again there we are we're

1311
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,420
the people

1312
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:59,700
um accountability is in our hands to to

1313
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,520
communicate with our representatives and

1314
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,560
I would say to anybody that um that I'm

1315
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:07,140
not I'm not trying to cast a shamed lie

1316
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:08,400
back on anybody especially the question

1317
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,560
asker but those of us who do ask those

1318
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:12,240
questions have to be the people that are

1319
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:13,980
also writing our Congressman we have to

1320
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:15,540
be able to turn around and say yes I

1321
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:18,960
have done my due diligence as well so

1322
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:22,140
um I I

1323
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:24,420
will we stand to gain a lot I think we

1324
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,520
need we need to stay the course

1325
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:28,800
great thank you the next question is

1326
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:32,400
from Verona Farm asking what does Sean

1327
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,740
think about the idea proposed by some

1328
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,140
that you have UFO related data be made

1329
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,660
available to scientists or some other

1330
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:42,060
select group for study but not the

1331
00:50:49,549 --> 00:50:47,809
um

1332
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:49,559
I think that National Security would be

1333
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:51,900
the only reasons reasons for that unless

1334
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:55,740
the uh unless the picture painted was

1335
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:57,900
something that might incite a public

1336
00:51:02,329 --> 00:51:00,960
Riot or a destabilization of society

1337
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,339
um that's another one of those great

1338
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,040
questions that we bring up about the the

1339
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,960
what are we who are we and where did we

1340
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,599
come from is is also how would we handle

1341
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,480
it if the following were true

1342
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,059
um I'm not fully I'm not ready to gamble

1343
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,520
at all yet if somebody out there knows

1344
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,500
what reality is

1345
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,640
um and they think that it's going to

1346
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:22,559
destabilize the rest of us I'm not sure

1347
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:26,640
that making it public before the the

1348
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:30,000
um the educated academic Cadre has a

1349
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:31,740
chance to deal with it is the right idea

1350
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,680
I'm not sure but I'm also

1351
00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:36,480
I'm also one of those people that thinks

1352
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:39,260
that healthy skepticism of our of our

1353
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,540
mainstream scientific establishment is a

1354
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,520
good thing to have we have to keep folks

1355
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:47,040
that are that are highly focused

1356
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:48,900
um we there have to be generalists to

1357
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:51,720
bring the Specialists back to why we do

1358
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:53,940
this and we do these things not just for

1359
00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:56,220
grant money or for to make us look good

1360
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,200
in our careers but to advance Humanity

1361
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:01,020
as a whole so

1362
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:07,010
thank you the trying to figure this out

1363
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:09,540
this person I think has two

1364
00:52:13,849 --> 00:52:11,940
two questions but it's

1365
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:13,859
sorry I'm getting myself confused I'm

1366
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:16,260
going to ask it if it makes sense to you

1367
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,359
I've been trying to reread it um please

1368
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:20,400
speak on that if not I understand if you

1369
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,220
don't answer it so the first part says

1370
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,440
with the greatest respect Sean you say

1371
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,359
you don't know how to engage the public

1372
00:52:33,069 --> 00:52:29,880
at large so they in turn engage the

1373
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,079
government and request answers surely

1374
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:35,579
incontrovertible evidence is the

1375
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,980
solution and this is the second part and

1376
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,480
where the actual question comes through

1377
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:42,000
I think it's in relation to this asking

1378
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:48,230
um

1379
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:50,210
well I think what they're saying is that

1380
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,980
um that folks like me need to need to

1381
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,300
step up a little bit higher on the

1382
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,400
soapbox and and challenge our government

1383
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,380
people that have a voice and I think a

1384
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,480
lot of us are doing that

1385
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,880
um but I think a lot of folks that watch

1386
00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:05,040
um watch podcasts and other things like

1387
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:07,319
that they may have a skewed idea about

1388
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:09,059
who all of us are in our private lives

1389
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:11,460
I'm just a regular guy you know with a

1390
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,099
family that has to pay his bills

1391
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:16,079
um not a celebrity

1392
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:20,339
um I don't I don't do this job for money

1393
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:23,700
um I don't I don't get get hey I rarely

1394
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:26,099
get paid for any of my efforts in this

1395
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,200
in this field

1396
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:30,300
um so I'm doing as much as I can right

1397
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:31,200
now

1398
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:33,540
we can all do a little bit but I I agree

1399
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,359
that that engagement with our government

1400
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,880
is is absolutely imperative but but

1401
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,800
let's be real it's imperative in all the

1402
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:42,359
other areas that are deficient in our

1403
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:43,980
lives that

1404
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:45,420
um that we're not we're really not

1405
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,400
pulling our weight there and and where

1406
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:49,200
we are pulling our way the government

1407
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,020
isn't always responding well so we we

1408
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,760
are at a Crossroads it will require

1409
00:53:58,130 --> 00:53:55,859
further courageous effort on the part of

1410
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,140
all of us

1411
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,000
great thank you Sean well I want to take

1412
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:03,119
the remaining time to actually ask you

1413
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:05,160
um in the description below

1414
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:07,980
um I figured I those that want to maybe

1415
00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:10,440
interact or with your contact you

1416
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:12,119
somehow I included your Twitter I hope

1417
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,740
you don't mind and then of course

1418
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,599
there's your your website if you can

1419
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:17,640
maybe speak a little bit about that if

1420
00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:20,099
you like or or some other subject in

1421
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:21,780
conclusion

1422
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:23,220
my website's something I haven't

1423
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:24,660
maintained recently so I'll have to get

1424
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,280
back on there but I really use it just

1425
00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:28,440
as a portal to contact me folks and

1426
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:30,599
contact me via Twitter um I do open my

1427
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:32,460
DMs up every couple of months but if you

1428
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,000
at me or um I can usually I'll usually

1429
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,200
see that when I get on there but I

1430
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,599
haven't been as active on there recently

1431
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:41,460
um if people want to contact me via my

1432
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:45,180
email mintyhyperspace gmail.com is my

1433
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:46,500
primary email

1434
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:48,300
um it does take me a little bit while to

1435
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,040
open up correspondence because I do get

1436
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,599
a lot of folks who

1437
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:53,339
um who share their stories with me and

1438
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:54,839
have questions and I try to give people

1439
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:58,140
the um the time that they put into the

1440
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,119
the correspondence with me I try to give

1441
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,400
that back to them so that often means a

1442
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:04,559
very slow turnaround

1443
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,099
um

1444
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,160
but this I have if I have uh had a

1445
00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:09,599
moment to give kind of a closing

1446
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:12,660
statement it would need it

1447
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,339
like a lot of us I've been interested in

1448
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,319
this subject since I was a child I've

1449
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:18,480
come and gone with how serious it was to

1450
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:21,780
me and how important it was to my life

1451
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,880
um for me it's a very important thing

1452
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:26,099
it's it's something that I think that we

1453
00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:27,480
do need to change in the world that

1454
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,819
we'll have follow-on implications and

1455
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,400
positive change for the majority of

1456
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:34,980
humanity but I do recognize that for a

1457
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:36,900
great deal of the people that we that we

1458
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:39,660
live love and and deal with they're not

1459
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:42,180
interested it's not important to them

1460
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,040
um it's frightening to them it doesn't

1461
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,599
make a great deal of sense to them so

1462
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:48,480
they look to us to be positive leaders

1463
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:51,480
and examples when it comes time to

1464
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,680
understand this and when they do

1465
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:55,200
encounter those changes in their life so

1466
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:57,720
I just think that if if all of us can um

1467
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:01,020
take a nice deep breath re-examine what

1468
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:03,000
we want out of this look at each other

1469
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,980
and find the commonality of purpose and

1470
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:07,020
Mission that we have in this

1471
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,940
um I think we'll succeed I think that if

1472
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:11,040
we um if we seek to be less

1473
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,280
factionalized and and less separated by

1474
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:17,040
differences of opinion and and focus on

1475
00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:19,079
those shared missions of Truth and

1476
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:20,339
finding out what's really going on

1477
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,400
together then I think we will win

1478
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:25,440
well Sean thank you for that and thank

1479
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,660
you again for coming on tonight I

1480
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,640
appreciate your time you know I know it

1481
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:31,920
especially for what you're doing and I'm

1482
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:33,540
pretty sure for everybody time is

1483
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:35,460
valuable so I certainly appreciate it

1484
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,740
and I'm also looking forward to meeting

1485
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:39,960
you in person at the Ozark conference

1486
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:42,599
and so for those that are still watching

1487
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:45,300
and um for those that will be watching

1488
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:48,300
this video all the links for Sean are in

1489
00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:49,980
the description below

1490
00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:52,440
um to be able to see what's going to be

1491
00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:54,900
happening at the Ozark UFO conference

1492
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:57,180
coming up in April the link for that is

1493
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:59,160
also in the description so please check

1494
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:01,980
it out and uh come see us both I will be

1495
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:04,020
there Sean will be there Sean is going

1496
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:06,599
will be one of the keynote speakers and

1497
00:57:10,250 --> 00:57:08,460
uh just the way the conference is

1498
00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:10,260
basically set up there's always

1499
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:12,839
opportunity to speak and basically meet

1500
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:15,300
with the speakers after the after the

1501
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:17,400
talk and also throughout the conference

1502
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,380
they're just walking around wherever

1503
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:21,359
they happen to be and you can stop him

1504
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:23,160
and say hello so I hope you certainly

1505
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:25,020
take the opportunity to come out and see

1506
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,140
us both so Sean thank you again I really

1507
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,200
appreciate it and see you soon

1508
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:33,240
real pleasure thank you Edna all right

1509
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,859
well everyone else thanks for watching

1510
00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:36,960
please tune in next time

1511
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,099
um usually it's going to be on

1512
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:40,680
Wednesdays at 7 p.m not sure who will be

1513
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,380
the next guest but um I will make an

1514
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,119
announcement as soon as I find out so

1515
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,160
thanks again